I want a 911R

"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg) 09/26/2016 at 15:39 • Filed to: None

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Or a V12 Vantage S.

Two legendary sport car makers tipping their hats to the purist in all of us.

Wobbles the Mind > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 09/26/2016 at 15:51

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I’m on your side but GT8 or GT12 even if I can’t have them.

JeepJeremy > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 09/26/2016 at 19:36

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The 911R is the one to have.

whoarder is tellurium > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 09/26/2016 at 20:04

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Cot. Damn. that 911 R sounds so freaking good.

Just so raw and guttural.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > whoarder is tellurium 09/26/2016 at 20:07

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They both do.

Tapas > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 09/27/2016 at 01:23

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Good luck getting a 911R.

Its not just about the money with this car, even though its quite a bit of money - $168k?

They only make a few, so the dealer rapes you for another $20k in mark ups. That is if you run to the dealership quick and get on your knees to get a build slot. Or if you’ve already blown them before by getting another Porsche or two.

I’m tired of Porsche pandering to only the very lucky and wealthy enthusiasts.

I loved the 981 Cayman and Boxster because they were inching closer in terms of styling and capability to the 911, for a lower price.

The 911 has enough variants ( including special editions its, like 19 or 22?)

If Porsche really had the balls, they would’ve stripped the 911 of all the bullshit interior stuff, give it a base but tuned V6 engine and make a 911SC full production car at a price lower than the base 911.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Tapas 09/27/2016 at 01:40

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I guess I get what you’re saying, but Porsche isn’t in the business of making stripped-out sports cars that are attainable to the everyman enthusiast. They’re in the business of building expensive, high-end sports cars for the people who can afford such luxuries. As a direct result, they have some of the largest per-car profit margins in the auto industry. Why on earth would they strip a 911 down to the bare bones and charge less for it when they could strip a 911 down to the bare bones, add some badges, and charge more for it?

Basically, don’t expect them to change their ways any time soon, because it sure as hell seems to be working.

Tapas > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 09/27/2016 at 02:21

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Yeah I mean I get what they want to do for sure.

But they wouldn’t be any less successful if they made a bare bones 911 that was cheaper than a base 911 and not limited edition.

They could sell 500 cars for 200k or 15k cars for 85k and make even more money, while pleasing their enthusiasts.

85k is by no means cheap but still relatively attainable and upscale. And it could compete/replace the Cayman GT4 market, which is still salivating for more.

Alex Zapata > Tapas 09/27/2016 at 09:07

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$20k in markups? If you find one at that price, sell your house and buy it, you will be able to make about a ton of money in 5 minutes.

Here’s one on DuPont for $700k

http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/listing/2016/porsche/911--r/1489743

The first one that was for sale was at 1.25 Million (don’t know if it sold)

Since at this point it means getting kicked from the Porsche VIP owners (you can’t resell special edition cars), that’s why they’re so expensive...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 09/27/2016 at 12:59

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I’ll be very happy with the next GT3 with the R’s manual transmission. That car will actually depreciate at some point (I think/hope).

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Tapas 09/27/2016 at 14:38

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“I’m tired of Porsche pandering to only the very lucky and wealthy enthusiasts.” As much as I’d love to own a 911R one day and know I never will, I’m okay with Porsche doing this for one reason: it allows them to bring tech, subsidized by these very lucky and wealthy enthusiasts”, to a larger audience. Without the R, there is no way that they could make the business case to bring the manual transmission back to the GT3. With the R, because these rich few have paid such a premium for each one of them, they could and did.

I bemoaned the sacrilege of the Cayenne and the bulbous butt of the Panamera when both of them first arrived, too, but by “selling out” to the masses, Porsche is able to continue to offer true enthusiasts the cars we’ve always loved this marque for. In the end, they are a business and have to make money - even more a limitation now that they’re owned by VW and beholden to their shareholders.

Disagree as much as you want with their decisions, but be thankful that Porsche still exists and offers some of the incredibly involving machinery that they do.

Tapas > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/28/2016 at 01:16

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I’m thank ful for what they do, but if so many people are being fucked taken advantage of for hundreds of thousands of dollars in options, a little reach around with cheaper well-performing cars would be nice lol

Tapas > Alex Zapata 09/28/2016 at 01:21

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$1.25 mil? $700k?!?!?!??!?!?!?!? Hooooooooolllyyyyyyy shiiiiiittt

Alex Zapata > Tapas 09/28/2016 at 08:58

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Yup, car market is crazy right now, the $900k 918 is selling for 2 mill now, then you have your 1.2 mill LaFerraris selling for 3-4 million and don’t get me started on the classics and the McLaren F1s.

I don’t even wanna think about how much a Ferrari XX-program car would sell on the private market.